Wildblue FAP and how it is monitored
I received an email from a woman (Rhonda in TN) who told me that they have been repeatedly hit with the WildBlue FAP and had their speeds dropped down. When she contacted WildBlue about it, they refused to give her any proof, which she wanted because she said they hardly do anything but check their email and such. So you are not hearing a third party story, I have copied her email, word-for-word below:
Hi!
I can’t say that I am happy to write to you under these circumstances, but I, too, have had my barn load of Wildblue problems! When we first hooked up with wildblue, our speed was great and we were downloading/uploading with no problems whatsoever. After a few months, though, wildblue started saying that we were running over our “limit” of download bandwidth and started cutting our speed back drastically. Then, even though we pay our bills, they cut us off completely! Well…we called them and asked point blank to please PROVE to us this so called overused bandwidth so we could find out what the problem was. Of course, you can very well imagine, they said, “we don’t have that information”. Bull!!! Even when I had sad speed dialup, I could look up on an hourly basis and see what bandwidth I was using. They think we are all so stupid that we will just TAKE THEIR WORD FOR IT that we are all using up loads of bandwidth without a shred of proof from wildblue to back their claims up for charging us, then slowing down our speeds or cutting us off. We have called several times and can’t get any more information from them except that we need to watch our download gauge.
Well…now, here is a little something interesting for you. I also have DishNet Television satellite service, which is also affiliated with wildblue. My wildblue bill is on my dishnet bill, as a matter of fact. I was having a bit of trouble with one of our receivers, so I called tech support for DishNet to ask what to to. They were more than helpful and within a few days, we had a replacement receiver. Here’s the interesting part. I talked and asked questions with the tech lady for over an hour about several things, including upgrading my service for DishNet. But, I told her I was very upset with wildblue service and wasn’t sure if I should invest any further money into their company. Well…well….when women talk, sometimes things “come out” in the open, you see. The tech lady I spoke to was very nice and when I told her of my problems with wildblue, she told me, and I quote, “you couldn’t PAY ME ENOUGH to work on the tech side of wildblue right now!!”. She told me that several months back, wildblue hooked up with Google thinking that this would make things better for the customers and be a good way to out do Hughsnet, another complete waste of satellite internet service (we were with them before we got wildblue..they suck too!). Well, when they got whatever service they got from Google, it had a lot of “back door applications” going on, which eats up bandwidth like crazy! She said that DishNet and Wildblue customer service is in the same building in Virginia, I think she said. She said that wildblue can’t keep tech reps in because so many people are so angry about the same problems. What is happening is that wildblue hooking up with google has caused so many problems, their tech workers are working around the clock trying to fix it, but refuse to tell the public due to the huge amount of money they would not only loose having to compensate those customers already pissed, but would loose any incoming possible customers that might sign up with them. I don’t know about you, but wildblue is NOT advertised around these parts, but Hughsnet is on the TV all the time!! This representative of DishNet told me that wildblue is trying to make the problems look like it is the fault of the customers and trying to prove it to the customers without any proof, when they KNOW all along it is their glitch and we are paying for it. Where I live, I don’t have much choice….it is either horrible speed dialup (and I do mean horrible…we are at the butt end of everything here and the lines are so bad, even my phone service sucks!), I can opt to pay $900 a month for T-1 (NOT!! can’t afford that by any means!), no DSL even offered due to the age and horrible condition of the phone lines out here and cable isn’t an option either. So, satellite is my only choice and I can hardly afford that! And, I can’t afford it with bad service!! We run a small business out of our home and if the internet goes out, we are out of business, if we aren’t making money, we can’t pay the bill, if we can’t pay wildblue’s bill, they cut us off….it’s a wildblue circle, I guess you could say!!
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Anyway, I wanted to pass this tidbit on to you. I have already contacted a local “That’s Messed Up” news piece on a local channel who handle this sort of thing. He said he has had many complaints about them and is considering doing a piece on the problem. If you guys do get a class action lawsuit going, please put me on the list. We have lost money due to their incompetence and I want my money back! If we could just get this out to the media, I think it would break wide open. I am going to keep trying to get this through in any way I can from my end, please keep me informed as to what you guys do…..I believe if enough of us gather together against them and get a good lawyer to represent us little folks, we could win this thing and make them pay! Thanks for the great work you are doing, by the way.
Morning!
My wife and I have a remote home, we have Wild blue plus dialup,
a requirement to maintain connections. I am on dialup as I
write this.
Early on, email queries were responded to, now emails are
returned.
We tried several times via phone, my wife was on the phone
from 9 AM until 3 PM, it seems one person gives up, moves us
to the next “tier”, puts us on hold, then the line goes dead.
We then start over.
The problem? No connection, over and over. Rain, wind, clouds,
any weather upset and no service. Here that is 60% of the time.
We were told it was OUR equipment, so I drove 170 miles to our
home and got my biggest system that works fine on DSL at that
location.
No connection.
We tried the laptop, too. Same problem. It ISN’T US, folks!
Now I KNOW it can work, it actually does sometimes. And
fairly fast, too. It just goes down for no reason in the
middle of an email or when I am working, or speeds are slowed
to nearly nothing.
Think of a 17 minute download of my banking site that is 3
seconds at our other home. I timed that one day. Yet sometimes
it is 15-20 seconds, we could live with that. The same site
on dialup is 15-20 seconds at 40K.
We have had to increase our timeouts to even use Wild Blue.
I understand that wireless satellite can be problematic
during weather upsets but we read the ads, paid for premium
service.
We are not getting that, dialup is not only far more consistant
but it also is faster after an hour or two as we are throttled
down to readings as slow as 15K.
We checked, we are nowhere near our “limits” for the service
pay for. No matter, that is done to us anyway. The company denies
doing this but we can read download speeds.
A serviceman would be nice, and we actually got to the point
where one was promised. Except the phone went dead, we
called back and they started over, wanting to “check our
system.” That has been done several times now.
Some conversations with support seem to actually be nothing
but stalling, or pretend attempts to help.
Yes, I understand the problems with Satellite. I just think
the company should explain that these problems can and do happen,
rather than make claims they cannot and do not deliver.
I doubt we will renew, we are checking on Clearwire and
others.
Going to the BBB is a waste of time, all those folks do is
collect money since that is just a private company, we have
been down that road.
The answer to a company offering poor service and response is
to replace them….We sadly are ready to give up with
Wild Blue…*EB
Wow, all it took was a Google search for “wild blue sucks” to find this and other web sites dedicated to this problem. All I can say, unfortunately, is “ditto” to the many horror stories and complaints. As I write this I am working with the nearly totally unworkable FAP slowdown. I work on computers and had to get updates for a fresh Windows XP install from SP1 onward – sure enough this pushed over the FAP threshold by a few MB. After suffering through a week waiting to get back to 80% I called Wild Blue only to discover that the new FAP policy is 24hrs at 70%!!
Fortunately, the cell phone wireless option seems to be a viable alternative. I will know better tomorrow on this. Bye bye Wild Blue!!!!
Oh yeah, please include me in any class action law suit info.
I totally hate wildblue. I am on dialup because I have been fapped with no warning or evidence except a one day spike. I have no choice but to tell this service to go to hell. It is bad for my blood pressure to pay premium bills for a service that does not even work. I am so frustrated. Rural America is ripped off on internet and cell service and land line phones. What happened to the Obama stimulus plan to wire the nation…………guess they are too busy fighting useless wars.
We have the same story with our Wild blue service in regard to the Fapping. We also are trying to run a business and can’t afford to go without internet service. We are also in a rural area and have no other choices than dial up or satelite. What can we do? I’d like to find out who and where to write a letter to Wild blue to complain. Maybe it wouldn’t change anything, but I want to do something.
have had wb for about 3 years now. Only service available in my area. 1400 ping times and 50kbs download speeds make me sick but I have not alternative that I can see. I ran over my 250mb a day by only about 20mb. I haven’t DLed anything in 5 days and my usage meter hasn’t moved from %90.
I Feel everyone’s pain i have had wildblue for almost a month and they keep saying i am abusing the service and their FAP graphs say i’m at 154% over 70 but i haven’t even used my computer in 2 weeks so how can i be over the limit without using it i check it evryday now and it says 154% everyday even when i leave it alone for a week this is a far worse service than hughs.net i can’t wait for comcast or verizon to get to my area.
All I can really say is that the satelite internet service industry sucks yet they’re our only choice-and they know that! They charge us outrageous prices for subpar service and mediocre internet speed (when its not being throttled). I’ve had wildblue for about 3 years now, we had to increase our package from the 4.2 GB plan to the 8GB and STILL I can’t seem to avoid their unreasonable FAP. I try to leave my computer alone-I don’t even use it on the weekends as I’m at my mothers house and during the weekdays I’m at school. Aside from that I usually just browse web pages and do online school work (when WB isn’t offline) yet we are ALWAYS over the threshold limit. All I can say is that either wb gets its act together or I’m leaving. Dial up would be more practical at this point.
FAP Status: In violation (In violation)
Percentage
Used Current
Usage
(MB x 1000) Maximum
Available
Threshold
(MB x 1000)
Download
99 % 16.8 17.0
Upload
35 % 1.7 5.0
I am in violation at 16.8 when the threshold is 17! They stole .2 from me.
I sent them a message stating that they remove my so-called FAP violation or I’ll remove myself as their customer.
Wild Blue’s Fair Access Policy (FAP)is presumably meant to cap each user at some maximum level to avoid slowing of the system across the board; a bit like too many people on the cable. This, of course, presupposes that such limitation is reasonable and fair in what is essentially a utility.
Yet, I agree that they are remarkably inflexible and opaque about applying it.
I have the highest priced residential package for my home with only three users, and generally use 25% of my bandwidth allowance. However, this spikes with large downloads or guests with laptops. Wild Blue is in agreement with this assessment, and agrees that the bandwidth usage utility only shows last 30 days usage and not on a daily basis, and lags about 1-2 full days behind real-time. Yet, they are absolutely inflexible about waiving their penalties even though admitting that slowing is to about dial-up speed.
Penalizing long-time paying customers who typically use 25% of what they’re paying for with month-long severe cuts in service for 1-2 day long sporadic (twice in 4 months) spikes in use is certainly a poor business model and seems to reflect the practices of a company fully aware that its customer base is a captive audience with no ready access to real alternatives.
In other words, Wild Blue Sucks For Specific Reasons!
Agree, how to go about demanding an investigation into to the incompentence of this internet service? We as customers should have some recourse. Other than tec support there is no other way to contact. Have tried to get on their so called customer browser, and have never been able to.
We are paying for a service that is utilizing the satillites in the sky and us taxpayers paid for those round glowing objects and then to have corps
rip us off with poor and no service.
Aug. 20, 2010
I’m switching to sprocket. Wildblue is terrible. This whole bandwidth thing is just unheard of and I sucked it all up in one day. My job requires that I download A LOT of files and in one day, yes, ONE DAY of using it the bandwidth sucked up and I had to wait until the end of the month to get it all back.
It’s too expensive.
Their idea of customer service is stupid.
I’m tired of them.
SPROCKET ALL THE WAY
There’s a reason they won’t register with the Better Business Bureau
I live in a rural area, and have had wildblue for 3 years. Whenever i have to download anything big, like windows updates, I drive in to town and use the wifi at a restaurant. This is the only way I have been able to use their service without going over the low bandwidth limits they provide.
Think about this people: When subscribing to Wildblue, you are paying for access to their satellite service, with a 30 day rolling period for your bandwidth. THAT IS IT! WHAT A RIP OFF!
I think their advertising is misleading.
EXAMPLE: If you are at 50% usage at the end of the month of June, when July starts you only have 50% of your usage available to you. This means, that you only have half of your bandwidth available to you at the start of the new billing period. So, you really do not get to use all of the bandwidth you think you paid for.
I use an average of 1% of bandwidth a day. I have been out of town for a week this month, yet the bandwidth usage has only dropped 2 percent when it should have dropped 7%. I did not even have a computer hooked up to the system while I was gone. Hmmmmmmm. I guess the squirrels broke in to the house and were on youtube all week!
Hi We have been also having the same problem and yes the tech people are very rude and not helpful at all why does the damn internet go so slow if we are paying it every month and its NOT cheap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Unsatisfied
Found a place to complain at the better business bureau. Wild Blue prefers you complain to them before you file a complaint with the BBB. send complaint to: executiveescalations@wildbluecorp.com.
I have not emailed them yet, but I also have had Wild Blue for 4 years and never had a problem until this past Thanksgiving. Now I keep getting the FAP warnings and had a violation..So I upgraded to the 70.00/mo. and I am still at 80% for no reason. I have been going as far as to shut everything down during the day. I used to play FV and other Facebookgames with my friends and never had a problem. My son used to watch Youtube videos and no problem..NOW I cannot do anything without violation, not even a little bit. Dishnet tech support for Wild Blue have no explanations for me..All techs give you a different story…Paying top dollar for something that is basically useless now! Thank goodness it has been long enough that I can get away from them without fines. I will be trying Hughesnet soon. They do not have a 30 day rolling thing..They start fresh each day and have free download, ( I think) from 2:00 am until 7:00 am. Good luck everyone..
Good to see I am not suffering alone. I agree with all posts, except the useless wars comment.
Ditto to everything please add me to any class action.
The problem with living in a rural area and having any kind of satellite internet is that they have you right where they want you. They can do whatever they like and get away with it because we have no other affordable alternative. I’m sure the Feds back them up too.
Let’s face it we are screwed. They took away our free TV didn’t they?????
Oh cry me a fricken river.. build a bridge… and get over it.. I can watch a few netflix movies and ton of You tube vids and dl my itunes without a problem (other than monitoring my 30 day rolling cycle.. Which is easy) I live in the mountains and have never ahd a problem with this service.. so it is probably your install. (remainder of comment removed because of language ~admin)