Wildblue Satellite/ViaSat FAP – by Todd
This was a comment on one of the threads but I thought it deserved its own post:
Thanks to the creator of “WildBlueSucks.Info”!!!
I’ve had the misfortune of being a Wildblue Internet Satellite customer since December 2007. I work from my home, and choose to live in a rural area, and satellite Internet is the only “non-dial-up” Internet access option I have. From talking with other local Wildblue and HughesNET customers, apparently both providers are a bird of the same feather regarding the FAP (Fair Access Policy). During the sales process of attracting customers like me, Internet satellite providers certainly don’t talk about the sharp white teeth of the FAP. Unfortunately, I misunderstood what how the FAP works, I thought it was like our cell phone providers where the number of available airtime minutes resets at the end of each month and/or cycle. This is NOT the way the FAP works – BUYER BEWARE!!!
My work requires me to use an online back-up solution (Carbonite.Com), and this process kills the miniscule upload limitations of the FAP for my service option – i.e. 5.0GB. I log daily my usage from the Wildblue bandwidth monitor – http://www.wildblue.com/myaccount/index.jsp – and have found the following hard truths about WildBlue’s FAP:
1. WildBlue’s tech support lies about how this “bandwidth monitor” works. They have admitted to me that it does not reflect “real-time” measurements of your actual usage. Thus a responsible person cannot accurately monitor / manage keeping out of the FAP penalty box.
2. I keep a daily log of actual “bandwidth monitor” screen-shots and track that data in an Excel spreadsheet. There is no precise methodology that I have found / observed as to how WildBlue’s FAP translates into actual available bandwidth to users. For example, since March of 2008, my upload bandwidth usage averages 3.3GB at any one given time. This means that although I’m paying for 5.0GB of up upload bandwidth in my monthly Wildblue service fee, I’m only able to access / use 1.7GB of uploading bandwidth at any given time. In other words, I do not have access to the remaining 3.3GB of upload bandwidth I’m paying for because of the FAP’s methodology of how it measures what you’ve historically used and sets that unchangeable number to what’s left in your service plan’s upload availability. Again, this number never resets back to zero, thus I’m paying for 5.0GB of upload bandwidth capacity, but Wildblue only grants me access to 1.7GB of that 5.0GB based on my past usage – NOTE: This is the same for the “download” bandwidth levels as well. To explain my point, WildBlue’s FAP is like buying all your stuff at the “company store”, you make $100, but your paycheck is only $30, because the rest they’ve laid claim to for past goods purchased / used.
3. When confronting Wildblue about their FAP violation, here’s what I went through:
a. Tech support – no help on this issue, and they refused to connect me with anyone above the person who answered the phone.
b. I was not able to find a Wildblue Communications corporate phone number; then found that they were purchased by a company called ViaSat in San Diego, CA (Chief Executive Officer is Mark D. Dankberg). Eventually, I tried requesting information from Wildblue about “commercial” grade services with more bandwidth. In essence here were my options:
i. I would have to go to another company who’s a reseller of Wildblue Internet satellite services
ii. Pay two-times more per month for a few GB’s more bandwidth monthly and no increased speed (upload or download)
iii. This would require me having to buy out the remainder of my existing Wildblue contract (no transfers)
iv. Pay for additional service / set-up charges with the new company to get the same service I’m currently getting but with increased
v. Have to get a new Email address
vi. Still have to deal with Wildblue’s “bandwidth monitor” requirements
vii. Good deal eh?
c. When you go into FAP violation, they “throttle” back your bandwidth speed to that of dial-up. When I asked Wildblue how long will I be in the penalty box, they cannot / will not give an answer. They have a magic formula that they apparently can’t share with the customer as they simply state; it depends on your upload/download usage. So I asked the question, “If I do not turn on my computer, and no one else is using the Wildblue Internet connection, how long will I be in penalty box / violation?” They cannot or will not answer that question. I finally pressed a Wildblue sales guy at their Colorado (former headquarters) office hard enough that he told me about two-weeks based on how much I went over my upload quota. My job afforded me the luxury of scheduling a 2-week business trip, and upon my return, I was still in the FAP penalty box. It took 15 days to have the “normal speed” turned back on. Effing amazing!!!!
I pray for the day I have an alternative to dial-up and Wildblue here in my area (South Dakota). I hope that day comes soon! Wildblue / ViaSat in my experience, engage in dishonorable and unethical business practices. I accept 100% responsibility for my actions of signing up for this service, and have done everything in my power to try to understand Wildblue’s business practices, and do my best to be a good steward of our agreement. However, Wildblue’s actions are vastly different from their intentions, and misleading the customer is their true business model, not providing a good Internet access service to honest paying customers!
I work from my office, and choose to live in a rural area, and satellite Internet is the only. Thanks for this
Hi Every body:
I made the same mistake even do I leave in an area that can get cable,dsl,I decided to try sattelite since I have Direct tv’and they recomended wildblue,on october 7,2010 got conected and let me me tell you at the first 3 days my bandwith went to 75% call to see how that happend they couldnt explain and how the air usagepolicy works,felt like I was talking to a brainless monkey,that was only teach certain words to response,when mention to cancel forget it only heard 450 dlls,and I have to packed the equipment and send it,so I cancelled the credit card and the account,I got a letter were they say they are going to take a legal action for incruspulos action,me personally cant wait for the to do that so I can show the recordings and misleading paractices they do. Garden grove,ca
Here is a letter that I just sent to them regarding my dissatisfaction with their company. I would love to get a large number of unsatisfied customers together to attempt to fix the slow internet issues as well as many other issues. My email address is at the bottom and would love to start a page on facebook, and other social sites.
This letter is in response to your fair access policy that I supposedly keep exceeding or come close to exceeding. I have been a customer of yours since August 2007 and have not been satisfied for the last 2 years. There is a website with many unsatisfied customers and I think that you should check it out. The site is http://www.wildbluesucks.info. The internet was fast at first, and then progressively got worse. I am paying close to $600.00 a year for internet that I can’t even stream Netflix videos without constant buffering. I believe that the supposed 100 mbps is actually half of that, and my bandwidth usage is grossly exaggerated.
I would switch to another high speed internet provider if there were one available. Unfortunately I live in a rural area where no other such company exists. I want the number for the owner of the company, or a direct email address or telephone number to contact them,. I do not wish to talk to customer service representatives, or technical support. I understand that there are bigger packages available, but believe that their speeds are exaggerated as well. I know that I am not the first person to express dissatisfaction with you service, and I’m sure that I will not be the last.
I look forward to your correspondence and the information that I have requested.
Sincerely,
Eric Myron
hello..I have had wildblue for a couple months now….i am frustrated and even upgraded….so now i pay 80.00 bucks…. do u know if playlist.com is a download??? it says live streaming…….how can i help…..Toni
Live streaming is still considered a download. Anytime anything comes from the Internet to your computer, it is classified as downloading.
I am also stuck with wildblue. I work from home as well and last year grew tired of them and I decided to cancel because their service was terrible and I wanted to move out somewhere else. I was asking to waive the penalty fee for cancelling early since it was mainly due to their bad service but they refused to waive it and wanted me to pay over 300 dollars!
I could not afford it so was stuck with them since I also cannot afford to move at this time. I am no longer able to see my family through Skype because it is so slow and it sucks the bandwidth incredibly fast. I have to watch how many hours I work and how many websites I visit. Wild blue is killing me and the saddest thing is there is no way out..I pray each day they put cable or DSL, it is less than half the price and gives me all the freedom I deserve.
Oh, by the way, I am all for the facebook page against this company… this company should be reported on Ripoff reports as well.
Here’s something I’m working on for release in several KY newspapers, if they’ll go for it.
It’s a wonder anyone in Kentucky bothers to have an internet connection – certainly anyone living more than 10 minutes from a town of any reasonable size. Not only are the available options painfully slow – though the satellite ISPs tout their wares with phrases such as “blisteringly fast” – they are expensive and the “service providers” (their words, not mine) do everything in their power to keep you in their talons once they have you signed up.
Want to change ISPs? Thinking about changing your satellite TV service but prefer to retain the “independent” ISP that, for convenience sake – now there’s an oxymoron – you had bundled with it? Want honest, factual information about speed, bandwidth allowance or actual costs? Well don’t go to any of the websites. The only phone numbers displayed on the home page I visited recently were those urging me to “sign up now”, to enquire about my bill or ask for help. Nowhere was there a number I could call to make general enquiries about the service or ask what sort of speeds I could reasonably expect and so forth. And that’s another thing – a search of the websites of both major players in this region failed to find a layman’s explanation of the speed they actually claim, no doubt hoping people will assume they are quoting megabytes, not megabits or, more likely, assuming that most of their clients won’t know the difference.
Don’t, whatever you do, ask questions of the sales representative (or should that be associate?) on the other end of the “sign up for light-speed fast internet now” line. Do so and you’ll be treated to a barrage of garbled hard-sell patter delivered at a gallop much faster than that claimed for the internet connection the rep is trying to sell you.
For the almost two years I’ve lived in Kentucky, I’ve been a victim of an ISP that once it had me hooked up in a bundle with a purveyor of 200-plus channels of mostly repeat programs (sorry, encore presentations) immediately erased me from its corporate memory. The plan I’d signed up for was sold to me as a mid-range option – though some time over the past six months and without telling me it became the basic plan – but never once in the time I have endured it has it delivered even half the speed I pay for. For $50 a month I have only once reached a download speed of more than 260 kbs. Their explanation? It’s because I’m bundled with an evil TV service provider that – apparently – restricts the amount of bandwidth it allocates to me. However, if I were to sign a new stand-alone contract with the ISP and pay for a new installation of the latest equipment then my service would miraculously improve – or so they tell me. It must be a joke, right? Why would any company allow another to tarnish its name by downgrading its service while working in partnership with it?
And that brings me to the question of collusion. The providers of cable, satellite and landline services have apparently borrowed a leaf from the same manual used by the “shipping conferences”. That’s the page where it tells you how to divide the world – in this case the USA – into spheres of influence but still maintain the illusion of competition. It’s horrifying.
I’ve switched my TV provider but so far haven’t cancelled my old service, due to the obstacles mentioned here. Appalled by the obstructionist attitudes I was encountering, and the possible damage to his reputation, the small businessman who’d installed my new TV service organized a three-way phone hook-up with my ISP (company A) to see if we could find a solution. Could I keep my old account and equipment while they sent out an installer with the new gear, No, I’d have to sign a new contract. Well I might as well cancel all together. The ISP rep, all helpful and condescending – why do these people all assume you’re not as smart as they? – said something like “Don’t do that sir. I appreciate your problem and I’ll switch you through to someone who may be able to help.” In a flash we found ourselves talking to a sales rep with another company, one that advertises itself as company A’s chief and fiercest competitor. I kid you not and I’ll swear to it in court if it comes to that. In response to our incredulous question, company B’s salesman said: “We are a sister company, sir.”
How did things get to this state and why is the USA so far behind in communications technology (29th in the world and slipping) – especially in that which is available to people who live outside city limits? It’s not that the country is sparsely populated, nor as far as I know is there any resistance to the idea of affordable access to truly high-speed internet for all Americans, regardless of where they live. (Note to ISPs: 1Mbs is not high speed, it is considered slow everywhere except in your advertising. South Korea is already testing a 1Gbs network that will be up and running by late 2012.)
Nor does US internet service come all that cheap. Daily Infographic this year published a statistical map* crediting the USA with an average speed of 4.8Mbs at an average cost of $3.33 per Megabit; Japan is shown at 61Mbs and $0.27 per Mb. However, I’d dispute the figures because my guess is that only major population centers figured in the calculations. My average speed is far less and my cost far more than is quoted for the USA – and I’m willing to bet thare’s a lot of people in the same slow boat. Government surveys indicate that something less than half of all Americans enjoy access to truly high-speed internet service and, of those who do, less than half receive service qualifying as true broadband, despite the ISPs’ claims.
What’s to be done about it? If the government did what is being done in Australia and runs fiber-optic cable wherever wireless doesn’t reach and launch a few satellites better able to handle internet communications, then things might improve. And it’d certainly give the flagging economy a boost. The network could be sold to private interests once it was up and running – with a stipulation that service must be maintained in rural areas – or kept as an income generator for Social Security and Medicare.
Of course there’d be the usual outcry: howls of “socialism” and of course the big corporations would argue that they do things better and more efficiently than government. Maybe they do, but they don’t. Not quite true, but they do it for themselves. Service to clients and country comes at best a very poor fourth after executive bonuses, profits and “responsibilities to our shareholders”.
We are ankle deep in politicians’ crocodile tears shed over small business, competition from cheap foreign labor and the plight of the struggling middle-class (forget the poor, they’re always complaining), but part of the remedy is staring them in the face. And not only would a national, hybrid high-speed wireless/fibre-optic/satellite network make rural businesses more competitive, it would do wonders for emergency services, traffic lights, schools and the 1001 other things we now depend on in our increasingly complex world.
But shoot, what do I know? I’m just some grudge-ridden malcontent living way out in the boondocks – all of 20 minutes from the State Capital, 15 minutes from a county seat and 35 from the State’s second-largest town. I get what I deserve.
Join the FACEBOOK group –
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=6171792660&v=wall
I did not join the group, but briefly looked at it. Doesn’t look like it has been updated in quite some time. I think creator lost interest.
Wildblue screws you ever way on FAP,speeds, and what is told.You still pay for percents from month and ads up to 512kbps downloads and 128kbps uploads.Hardly see download and uploads ever seen.5 Dish techs within 3 months over speed and ther little green show good and my internet speeds say no.You never get close what ad said.You screw when cancel and and Wildblue calls this Fair.If I could get cable,I would in heartbeat.I’m afraid to see what the speeds and prices on new Viasat satellite.I live on disability.WILDBLUE SUCKS WHAT I AM SEEING and WILDBLUE isn’t listening
Multiple complaints.
1. The speed is terrible at time and abysmal at others. I sometimes click on a single email and go get a snack or work on a Word document off-line while I wait.
2. I frequently have to use the basic version or gmail times out.
3. Service was out for days and I jumped thru their hoops repeatedly in a vain attempt to cure my problems. After days, they sent a notice that someone had cut their power line. No apology for wasting hours of my time. No refund.
4. Whenever I log on to their sites, it says I need to maximize etc. I have done it over and over — so have my son and my son-in-law outstanding computer professionals. But I still need to maximize.
5. I have never received a refund for anything. And twice they have threatened me with their draconian cutbacks even though I couldn’t possible exceed their limits. Clearly the amount of the cutback is way out of proportion to even the claimed. It is rapacious policy designed to intimidate us.
6. I am considering an alternative would like feedback. But I will come back later and post that.
Thanks for putting this board up. We need to find a better alternative if that is possible and publicize it. That would give them what they deserve.
Aaron T
Thank you Colin. Please allow me 2-3 minutes to pull up your information and I will be more than happy to confirm the
usage for you.
Aaron T
You are currently at 77% download, and we do send out e-mails to educate you that you are close to your limit. We do
not want to see you get throttled down in speeds please Monitor Your Usage:
https://myaccount.wildblue.net:8443/wbisp/wildblue.net/ – What other questions do you have for me?
Colin
The last time I received a usage alert I was metered down at 96% now I am at approximately 76% and receiving a
usage alert.
Aaron T
We like to attempt to do it when you are at 80% – sorry about the confusion.
Colin
I therefore conclude that I am about to get metered down again and that…let me see…all that frustration that you
hear all day from all your other customers that is how I might feel about that.
Colin
So I am wasting my time talking to you arent I?
Aaron T
Please monitor your usage and you will not feel the frustration. And no, I do not feel anyone is ever wasting there time
speaking with me. But if you would like to speak with someone on the phone please call us at 1-866-945-3258. Was
there anything else I may assist you with?
Colin
You told me just now that you alert at 80% but you also told me that I am at 77% what does that mean
Aaron T
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Correct Colin. The machine perhaps could have assisted you (helped you) earlier. I see no ill with this? I apologize if I
am missing your point? You do not want to be monitored? Or you want consistency? Typically you should be monitored
at 80% and then again around 95%. All to help you. What else may I help you with?
Colin
Perhaps I misunderstand, you are telling me that you automate a response at an 80% threshold is that correct?
Aaron T
Correct.
Aaron T
And that is fine Colin, I am glad we are on the same page now. How else may I assist you?
Colin
Why would an automated response be issued at 77% ? That causes me to question the accuracy of the bandwidth
monitoring
Aaron T
I understand that question, however I would not worry much about it. It is close enough to 80% that the monitoring
system gets flagged to send you information. It will always be accurate on our end – and the machine’s end.
Aaron T
We got you a little bit early this time. We really urge our customer’s to watch their own usage and not rely on our
automatic announcements.
Colin
So you are saying that what I look at is not accurate but what you look at is accurate?
Aaron T
Ours matched up.
Colin
your monitor and my monitor matched up?
Colin
our percentages?
Aaron T
Correct. You got an e-mail that was monitored at 76% – I view it now at 77%. With the information and how it travels -we are on the same page. Colin – it seems you have a lot more questions and care that I may not be able to assist you
with, please touch bases with our phone team at 1-866-945-3258. Was there anything else I may assist you with?
Colin
so we are in synch right now. i am showing 77% and so are you, that is the best available information?
Aaron T
Correct.
Colin
if we are in synch at 77% and a threshold alert has issued 3 hours ago, clearly your system is not working correctly. No
alert should have issued before 80% and my percentage has been rising steadily
Aaron T
What percentage are you at right now?
Colin
certainly less than 80% but I will verify
Aaron T
Thank you.
Colin
77.4%
Aaron T
That is what we show Colin. The system “gave” you information sooner then 80%. Feel lucky it did to give you the
heads up. We are synced up. If you have any more issues with this here is our mailing address for our legal team; Legal
Department WildBlue Communications, Inc. 349 Inverness Drive South Englewood, CO 80112
Colin
Why are you referring me to your legal team? I am a loyal customer I simply want to resolve this issue with you. I am
frankly confused.
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Aaron T
There is no issue Colin. I understand confusion, but I really have to direct you to our number then 1-866-945-3258. I
apologize that I cannot explain it in a way where you are secure with me. It is time you use another outlet – please call
us. 1-866-945-3258.
Colin
I only have a couple of more questions and I do not have a phone may
Colin
may I be permitted to ask a couple of more questions?
Aaron T
Colin, absolutely. And I am glad you are a loyal customer, maybe my confusion is what do you want the outcome of this
chat to be? And absolutely you may ask more questions. How may I help you?
Colin
I pay the most I can for the most bandwidth I can. I watch my usage obsessively and track it. There is not rhyme or
reason to the rolling 30 day plan. For example did you know that your customer side monitor does not track customer
usage on the 30th
Colin
and 31st of each month
Colin
but that is deceiving because you can be penalized for using bandwidth on those days
Aaron T
There is some math with it Colin. And I am sorry about that.
Colin
the last time I received a usage alert I was shut off at 96%, that is the reading I had simultaneous to receiving and
after the alert
Colin
so now when I am receiving an alert at 77% I am worried I will be metered down again
Aaron T
Oh wow Colin, once again I am sorry that happened to you.
Aaron T
No, you are fine Colin. What were the other questions you wanted to ask?
Colin
I promise you that on the 31st and 30th of every month your customers cannot track their usage. There is no math
involved. On those dates for 48 hours customers usage is pegged wherever it is
Aaron T
There is nothing I can do about that Colin, I am sorry it is trouble for you.
Colin
but they can be penalized, the rolling 30 day plan is fictional and its the root of a lot of evil, a lot of anger and
frustration come of this horrid and inaccurate system
Colin
now I am left to guess what Percentage I have to stop using at to avoid being metered down, its not 100% thats for
sure
Aaron T
I can tell, and if you were able to upgrade to our new Exede Services we took out the 30 day rolling all together.
Colin
how do I get this excede?
Aaron T
From my knowledge base it is 100%. But it sound likes (when you have a phone) call our technical team and speak to
them at 1-866-945-3258 (option 2).
Aaron T
It is an upgrade that our phone team produces. All you do is call in – inquiry about it – add it – then enjoy (comes with
new equipment.).
Colin
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what does it cost? I am very interested
Aaron T
Allow me to get that information to you please.
Aaron T
It may be best to look here for all the detail. http://help.wildblue.net/care/article/5074&category=3822
Colin
whats the monthly cost and how much bandwidth do you get?
Colin
remember no phone here, just need monthly cost and bandwidth
Aaron T
Priority Upgrade Program
12 Mbps or 5 Mbps (depending on location)
New Equipment
Variety of Package to choose from:
Plan 1: $49.99/mo w/ Total Data Allowance (down & up) of 7.5 GB
Plan 2: $79.99/mo w/ Total Data Allowance (down & up) of 15 GB
Plan 3: $129.99/mo w/ Total Data Allowance (down & up) of 25 GB
By taking part in this program, you will be required pay a onetime upgrade fee of $149.99 or $249.99 (depending on
your current service activation date) to reserve your installation upgrade when installations begin in approximately the
April or May timeframe.
Current Service Activation Date BEFORE July 1, 2010: $149.99
Current Service Activation Date ON or AFTER July 1, 2010: $249.99
NOTE: Upgrade fee includes installation service call and new equipment
Colin
I see that now, I was not seeing that part thanks, so I can go from 85 bucks and 17 GB to 130 and 25 GB, might be
worth it. Well thanks
Colin
I will stay under 95% for now, I hope you guys sort that out. thanks again
Aaron T
Thank you Colin for being the best part of ViaSat provider of WildBlue and Exede services. Do not forget you may
always engage your information at http://www.wildblue.net where you can view your statements and make one-time
payments. Have a wonderful rest of your day!
I am in the same boat , for the third time. I hate satellite and long for the day to switch providers. satellite has never treated me with any respect as a paying
. YOU SUCK. SATTELITE, IN ALL YOU DO.