Wildblue Satellite/ViaSat FAP – by Todd
This was a comment on one of the threads but I thought it deserved its own post:
Thanks to the creator of “WildBlueSucks.Info”!!!
I’ve had the misfortune of being a Wildblue Internet Satellite customer since December 2007. I work from my home, and choose to live in a rural area, and satellite Internet is the only “non-dial-up” Internet access option I have. From talking with other local Wildblue and HughesNET customers, apparently both providers are a bird of the same feather regarding the FAP (Fair Access Policy). During the sales process of attracting customers like me, Internet satellite providers certainly don’t talk about the sharp white teeth of the FAP. Unfortunately, I misunderstood what how the FAP works, I thought it was like our cell phone providers where the number of available airtime minutes resets at the end of each month and/or cycle. This is NOT the way the FAP works – BUYER BEWARE!!!
My work requires me to use an online back-up solution (Carbonite.Com), and this process kills the miniscule upload limitations of the FAP for my service option – i.e. 5.0GB. I log daily my usage from the Wildblue bandwidth monitor – http://www.wildblue.com/myaccount/index.jsp – and have found the following hard truths about WildBlue’s FAP:
1. WildBlue’s tech support lies about how this “bandwidth monitor” works. They have admitted to me that it does not reflect “real-time” measurements of your actual usage. Thus a responsible person cannot accurately monitor / manage keeping out of the FAP penalty box.
2. I keep a daily log of actual “bandwidth monitor” screen-shots and track that data in an Excel spreadsheet. There is no precise methodology that I have found / observed as to how WildBlue’s FAP translates into actual available bandwidth to users. For example, since March of 2008, my upload bandwidth usage averages 3.3GB at any one given time. This means that although I’m paying for 5.0GB of up upload bandwidth in my monthly Wildblue service fee, I’m only able to access / use 1.7GB of uploading bandwidth at any given time. In other words, I do not have access to the remaining 3.3GB of upload bandwidth I’m paying for because of the FAP’s methodology of how it measures what you’ve historically used and sets that unchangeable number to what’s left in your service plan’s upload availability. Again, this number never resets back to zero, thus I’m paying for 5.0GB of upload bandwidth capacity, but Wildblue only grants me access to 1.7GB of that 5.0GB based on my past usage – NOTE: This is the same for the “download” bandwidth levels as well. To explain my point, WildBlue’s FAP is like buying all your stuff at the “company store”, you make $100, but your paycheck is only $30, because the rest they’ve laid claim to for past goods purchased / used.
3. When confronting Wildblue about their FAP violation, here’s what I went through:
a. Tech support – no help on this issue, and they refused to connect me with anyone above the person who answered the phone.
b. I was not able to find a Wildblue Communications corporate phone number; then found that they were purchased by a company called ViaSat in San Diego, CA (Chief Executive Officer is Mark D. Dankberg). Eventually, I tried requesting information from Wildblue about “commercial” grade services with more bandwidth. In essence here were my options:
i. I would have to go to another company who’s a reseller of Wildblue Internet satellite services
ii. Pay two-times more per month for a few GB’s more bandwidth monthly and no increased speed (upload or download)
iii. This would require me having to buy out the remainder of my existing Wildblue contract (no transfers)
iv. Pay for additional service / set-up charges with the new company to get the same service I’m currently getting but with increased
v. Have to get a new Email address
vi. Still have to deal with Wildblue’s “bandwidth monitor” requirements
vii. Good deal eh?
c. When you go into FAP violation, they “throttle” back your bandwidth speed to that of dial-up. When I asked Wildblue how long will I be in the penalty box, they cannot / will not give an answer. They have a magic formula that they apparently can’t share with the customer as they simply state; it depends on your upload/download usage. So I asked the question, “If I do not turn on my computer, and no one else is using the Wildblue Internet connection, how long will I be in penalty box / violation?” They cannot or will not answer that question. I finally pressed a Wildblue sales guy at their Colorado (former headquarters) office hard enough that he told me about two-weeks based on how much I went over my upload quota. My job afforded me the luxury of scheduling a 2-week business trip, and upon my return, I was still in the FAP penalty box. It took 15 days to have the “normal speed” turned back on. Effing amazing!!!!
I pray for the day I have an alternative to dial-up and Wildblue here in my area (South Dakota). I hope that day comes soon! Wildblue / ViaSat in my experience, engage in dishonorable and unethical business practices. I accept 100% responsibility for my actions of signing up for this service, and have done everything in my power to try to understand Wildblue’s business practices, and do my best to be a good steward of our agreement. However, Wildblue’s actions are vastly different from their intentions, and misleading the customer is their true business model, not providing a good Internet access service to honest paying customers!
I work from my office, and choose to live in a rural area, and satellite Internet is the only. Thanks for this
Hi Every body:
I made the same mistake even do I leave in an area that can get cable,dsl,I decided to try sattelite since I have Direct tv’and they recomended wildblue,on october 7,2010 got conected and let me me tell you at the first 3 days my bandwith went to 75% call to see how that happend they couldnt explain and how the air usagepolicy works,felt like I was talking to a brainless monkey,that was only teach certain words to response,when mention to cancel forget it only heard 450 dlls,and I have to packed the equipment and send it,so I cancelled the credit card and the account,I got a letter were they say they are going to take a legal action for incruspulos action,me personally cant wait for the to do that so I can show the recordings and misleading paractices they do. Garden grove,ca
Here is a letter that I just sent to them regarding my dissatisfaction with their company. I would love to get a large number of unsatisfied customers together to attempt to fix the slow internet issues as well as many other issues. My email address is at the bottom and would love to start a page on facebook, and other social sites.
This letter is in response to your fair access policy that I supposedly keep exceeding or come close to exceeding. I have been a customer of yours since August 2007 and have not been satisfied for the last 2 years. There is a website with many unsatisfied customers and I think that you should check it out. The site is http://www.wildbluesucks.info. The internet was fast at first, and then progressively got worse. I am paying close to $600.00 a year for internet that I can’t even stream Netflix videos without constant buffering. I believe that the supposed 100 mbps is actually half of that, and my bandwidth usage is grossly exaggerated.
I would switch to another high speed internet provider if there were one available. Unfortunately I live in a rural area where no other such company exists. I want the number for the owner of the company, or a direct email address or telephone number to contact them,. I do not wish to talk to customer service representatives, or technical support. I understand that there are bigger packages available, but believe that their speeds are exaggerated as well. I know that I am not the first person to express dissatisfaction with you service, and I’m sure that I will not be the last.
I look forward to your correspondence and the information that I have requested.
Sincerely,
Eric Myron
hello..I have had wildblue for a couple months now….i am frustrated and even upgraded….so now i pay 80.00 bucks…. do u know if playlist.com is a download??? it says live streaming…….how can i help…..Toni
Live streaming is still considered a download. Anytime anything comes from the Internet to your computer, it is classified as downloading.
I am also stuck with wildblue. I work from home as well and last year grew tired of them and I decided to cancel because their service was terrible and I wanted to move out somewhere else. I was asking to waive the penalty fee for cancelling early since it was mainly due to their bad service but they refused to waive it and wanted me to pay over 300 dollars!
I could not afford it so was stuck with them since I also cannot afford to move at this time. I am no longer able to see my family through Skype because it is so slow and it sucks the bandwidth incredibly fast. I have to watch how many hours I work and how many websites I visit. Wild blue is killing me and the saddest thing is there is no way out..I pray each day they put cable or DSL, it is less than half the price and gives me all the freedom I deserve.
Oh, by the way, I am all for the facebook page against this company… this company should be reported on Ripoff reports as well.
Here’s something I’m working on for release in several KY newspapers, if they’ll go for it.
It’s a wonder anyone in Kentucky bothers to have an internet connection – certainly anyone living more than 10 minutes from a town of any reasonable size. Not only are the available options painfully slow – though the satellite ISPs tout their wares with phrases such as “blisteringly fast” – they are expensive and the “service providers” (their words, not mine) do everything in their power to keep you in their talons once they have you signed up.
Want to change ISPs? Thinking about changing your satellite TV service but prefer to retain the “independent” ISP that, for convenience sake – now there’s an oxymoron – you had bundled with it? Want honest, factual information about speed, bandwidth allowance or actual costs? Well don’t go to any of the websites. The only phone numbers displayed on the home page I visited recently were those urging me to “sign up now”, to enquire about my bill or ask for help. Nowhere was there a number I could call to make general enquiries about the service or ask what sort of speeds I could reasonably expect and so forth. And that’s another thing – a search of the websites of both major players in this region failed to find a layman’s explanation of the speed they actually claim, no doubt hoping people will assume they are quoting megabytes, not megabits or, more likely, assuming that most of their clients won’t know the difference.
Don’t, whatever you do, ask questions of the sales representative (or should that be associate?) on the other end of the “sign up for light-speed fast internet now” line. Do so and you’ll be treated to a barrage of garbled hard-sell patter delivered at a gallop much faster than that claimed for the internet connection the rep is trying to sell you.
For the almost two years I’ve lived in Kentucky, I’ve been a victim of an ISP that once it had me hooked up in a bundle with a purveyor of 200-plus channels of mostly repeat programs (sorry, encore presentations) immediately erased me from its corporate memory. The plan I’d signed up for was sold to me as a mid-range option – though some time over the past six months and without telling me it became the basic plan – but never once in the time I have endured it has it delivered even half the speed I pay for. For $50 a month I have only once reached a download speed of more than 260 kbs. Their explanation? It’s because I’m bundled with an evil TV service provider that – apparently – restricts the amount of bandwidth it allocates to me. However, if I were to sign a new stand-alone contract with the ISP and pay for a new installation of the latest equipment then my service would miraculously improve – or so they tell me. It must be a joke, right? Why would any company allow another to tarnish its name by downgrading its service while working in partnership with it?
And that brings me to the question of collusion. The providers of cable, satellite and landline services have apparently borrowed a leaf from the same manual used by the “shipping conferences”. That’s the page where it tells you how to divide the world – in this case the USA – into spheres of influence but still maintain the illusion of competition. It’s horrifying.
I’ve switched my TV provider but so far haven’t cancelled my old service, due to the obstacles mentioned here. Appalled by the obstructionist attitudes I was encountering, and the possible damage to his reputation, the small businessman who’d installed my new TV service organized a three-way phone hook-up with my ISP (company A) to see if we could find a solution. Could I keep my old account and equipment while they sent out an installer with the new gear, No, I’d have to sign a new contract. Well I might as well cancel all together. The ISP rep, all helpful and condescending – why do these people all assume you’re not as smart as they? – said something like “Don’t do that sir. I appreciate your problem and I’ll switch you through to someone who may be able to help.” In a flash we found ourselves talking to a sales rep with another company, one that advertises itself as company A’s chief and fiercest competitor. I kid you not and I’ll swear to it in court if it comes to that. In response to our incredulous question, company B’s salesman said: “We are a sister company, sir.”
How did things get to this state and why is the USA so far behind in communications technology (29th in the world and slipping) – especially in that which is available to people who live outside city limits? It’s not that the country is sparsely populated, nor as far as I know is there any resistance to the idea of affordable access to truly high-speed internet for all Americans, regardless of where they live. (Note to ISPs: 1Mbs is not high speed, it is considered slow everywhere except in your advertising. South Korea is already testing a 1Gbs network that will be up and running by late 2012.)
Nor does US internet service come all that cheap. Daily Infographic this year published a statistical map* crediting the USA with an average speed of 4.8Mbs at an average cost of $3.33 per Megabit; Japan is shown at 61Mbs and $0.27 per Mb. However, I’d dispute the figures because my guess is that only major population centers figured in the calculations. My average speed is far less and my cost far more than is quoted for the USA – and I’m willing to bet thare’s a lot of people in the same slow boat. Government surveys indicate that something less than half of all Americans enjoy access to truly high-speed internet service and, of those who do, less than half receive service qualifying as true broadband, despite the ISPs’ claims.
What’s to be done about it? If the government did what is being done in Australia and runs fiber-optic cable wherever wireless doesn’t reach and launch a few satellites better able to handle internet communications, then things might improve. And it’d certainly give the flagging economy a boost. The network could be sold to private interests once it was up and running – with a stipulation that service must be maintained in rural areas – or kept as an income generator for Social Security and Medicare.
Of course there’d be the usual outcry: howls of “socialism” and of course the big corporations would argue that they do things better and more efficiently than government. Maybe they do, but they don’t. Not quite true, but they do it for themselves. Service to clients and country comes at best a very poor fourth after executive bonuses, profits and “responsibilities to our shareholders”.
We are ankle deep in politicians’ crocodile tears shed over small business, competition from cheap foreign labor and the plight of the struggling middle-class (forget the poor, they’re always complaining), but part of the remedy is staring them in the face. And not only would a national, hybrid high-speed wireless/fibre-optic/satellite network make rural businesses more competitive, it would do wonders for emergency services, traffic lights, schools and the 1001 other things we now depend on in our increasingly complex world.
But shoot, what do I know? I’m just some grudge-ridden malcontent living way out in the boondocks – all of 20 minutes from the State Capital, 15 minutes from a county seat and 35 from the State’s second-largest town. I get what I deserve.
Join the FACEBOOK group –
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=6171792660&v=wall
I did not join the group, but briefly looked at it. Doesn’t look like it has been updated in quite some time. I think creator lost interest.
Wildblue screws you ever way on FAP,speeds, and what is told.You still pay for percents from month and ads up to 512kbps downloads and 128kbps uploads.Hardly see download and uploads ever seen.5 Dish techs within 3 months over speed and ther little green show good and my internet speeds say no.You never get close what ad said.You screw when cancel and and Wildblue calls this Fair.If I could get cable,I would in heartbeat.I’m afraid to see what the speeds and prices on new Viasat satellite.I live on disability.WILDBLUE SUCKS WHAT I AM SEEING and WILDBLUE isn’t listening